Here is the introductory episode of Underduscussion. Within the inaugural podcast WDR and I introduce ourselves, briefly discuss our backgrounds in gaming, and discuss a few of our favourite board games and RPGs.
8one6: Alright, so welcome to the first edition of Underdiscussion: The Undergopher podcast. I’m your host 8one6 and with me is WDR.
WDR: Howdy folks. This is our first try so this’ll probably be entertaining…
8one6: This’ll probably suck, but they’ll get better, don’t worry.
WDR: We have a plan, or a “pla”.
8one6: There’s a plan involved, with the planning.
WDR: So, since this is our first go, folks ought to know something about us. And since this is a gaming…
8one6: Gaming, movies, whatever…
WDR: pop culture, garbage blog, we should probably discuss the stuff we like.
8one6: Exactly. Well, I’m 8one6. I’ve been a nerd, er, geek for… ever.
WDR: It’s a lifetime commitment for most of us.
8one6: I’ve been playing RPGs since about 2003, that’s a funny story but I’ll save that for a little later. I’ve been playing with WDR here since, what, 2006?
WDR: A little while know, that sounds about right.
8one6: Ya, that sounds about right.
WDR: five or six.
8one6: And I’ve been playing games that were not made by Milton Bradley since about 2005.
WDR: Well, while I’ve only been playing games with 8one6 here for, we’ll say four or five years, I started significantly earlier than he did as far as dates go. I first started the role playing business in 1982. Which is actually before 8one6 was born. But, you know, it’s good that way. I actually started the non Milton Bradley board games about the same time so we definitely have a similar experience. In most of the ones we’ve played, we’ve played together, so our overlap is significant there, I think. I know our main deal is role playing, but do you want to start with the board games ‘cause it might go quicker?
8one6: Board games will probably go quicker. We’ll we’ve got… let’s see here, some of my favorite ones… well we can start with Settlers of catan, that’s basically everyone’s gateway drug as far as the “Euro style” games.
WDR: Oddly enough, not really for me. Carcassonne was more my gateway drug.
8one6: Carcassonne’s good. I like the fact that if you don’t put down a farmer you’re going to lose the game.
WDR: Both darn strong games though.
WDR: And both of them I enjoy. In fact I own them both. And since I spend all of my disposable income in miniatures and role playing games if I’ve bought a board game, it is significant.
8one6: It’s really good. It’s kinda’ like Lost Cities: The board game, which he swore he would never play again, and then went out and bought the last copy that Mahon had a week later.
WDR: Actually it was three days, but, it really is kind of the … Well to be honest, it’s kind of my abusive husband of board games. It beats me up constantly and…
8one6: But if you just keep loving it…
WDR: Every once in a while it shows some tenderness and I just keep on doing it. There’s something in the maddening of the system that is sublime.
8one6: I love Lost Cities because Lost Cities is basically … Lost Cities will kick you in the parts, Repeatedly. All the time. But you don’t play Lost Cities because you love being kicked in the parts, you play Lost Cities because you love watching Lost Cities kick everyone else in the parts all the time.
WDR: There is some schadenfreude involved, and I think the fact that you can never actually say that you’re good at Lost Cities… I mean you can play faster.
8one6: You can be efficient at Lost Cities…
WDR: But you can’t be “good”, which makes it a great game. Since we’re doing this and talking about a lot of games I’ll probably start putting up some review things, and I guarantee I will write a love/hate song to Lost Cities at some time to show our appreciation.
8one6: I’ve won out of the what, three or four dozen times we’ve played it, maybe twice, but when I win Lost Cities, I beat the pants off of that game. I’ll usually win Lost Cities by 400 points.
WDR: Which is a lot. If you can score 400 points you’re doing pretty darn good actually, so winning by 400 is pretty epic.
WDR: I have to say that of the euro-style games and stuff I’ve certainly picked up a real like of the tile laying games, like Carcassonne. One of my personal favorites is Metro.
8one6: That’s a fun one.
WDR: Ya. Nothing like building the Paris underground. Although I am somewhat of a Metro shark so that may be just a thing, that I enjoy winning.
8one6: I don’t think I’ve ever managed to make a train connect into the middle with anything more than, like, three tiles.
WDR: … No comment.
8one6 and WDR: [Laughter]
8one6: (as WDR) “Well I’ve circled the board twice, I might as well wrap this up. Boom, 84 points.”
WDR: Oh, it’s not that bad. And, I’ll have to say that not just board games, card games… Some of my favorite games are card games actually, but they’re not “let’s play poker” card games. We’re talking Fluxx. Gotta’ love a game who’s rules change as you go.
8one6: Ya, Calvinball: The Card Game.
WDR: Absolutely. Calvinball: The Card Game. Best way to explain it.
8one6: Of all the flavors that I’ve played I think… I own both Martian Fluxx and Zombie Fluxx but I think I like Monty Python Fluxx out of the three or four variants the best.
WDR: You know, ice cream’s good, but ice cream with your favorite flavor is better and that’s kinda’ how Monty Python Fluxx is.
WDR: Any gamer worth their salt is pretty much full of Monty Python quotes.
WDR: Or just british crap, but they’re full of it, and I think that makes the appeal strong. Personally, one of my favorites blurs the line between card game, board game, and war game, and that is Wings of War, which is a World War One dog fighting game. There’s a World War Two version, but the World War One version is superior, which seams like a strange thing to say.
8one6: I haven’t played the World War Two version, but I can only assume, like, the movement cards say like 20 on them and the damage all says like 20 on them and your plane has like four hit points.
WDR: The damage is higher, the planes aren’t significantly stronger and, as opposed to the mechanic where you have to plan out three maneuvers ahead you’re really only planning out two, and it’s really only more like one and a half, due to the faster, more maneuverable planes that are made of metal and not, you know, cloth and wood. It doesn’t have the elegance of “I’m going to pick out three maneuvers, my opponent’s going to pick out three maneuvers and we’re going to try to read each other while we’re having this dog fight.” The other beauty of that is there is no board, you just need a table, or a cleared space. I’ve played it on a store counter. It’s a heck of a game, and quite basic.
WDR: There’s a lot of darn good euro-games out there. Many that I don’t own but I strongly recommend. I feel I should mention El Grande, and if you like your brain to sizzle and melt out of your head I think Puerto Rico and…
8one6: I’m going to win Puerto Rico some day.
WDR: I’ve won Puerto Rico, but admittedly I wasn’t playing with top notch competition right before me so, in all fairness, it hardly counts. Also, Genoa, which used to be Traders of Genoa. A great deal making game…
8one6: I’ll probably never win that one.
WDR: Ya, but it’s fun while you don’t.
8one6: … Opinions differ.
WDR: It’s fun. It’s better when you don’t play with “The Andy”, because it’s a deal making game and you don’t win “that game.” You get the right group of people, and it has to be the right group of people, because punches will be thrown. It can be exasperating. It’s good.
8one6: It’s like Chinatown. I’ve won Chinatown.
WDR: I don’t play Chinatown anymore.
8one6: I’ve not won Chinatown against Mahon. I come in second against Mahon. Every time I play Mahon I come in second. Last time I came in second by one thousand dollars.
WDR: I just want to point out that in Chinatown, well let’s face it, I don’t think I’ve come in better than fourth on a fourth player game in damn Chinatown. No matter what I do it is apparently the wrong thing. It’s a frustrating game for me and it just doesn’t work. Now oddly it’s very similar to , I believe it’s Big City.
8one6: Ya, Big City is good.
WDR: Big City’s a great game, and I can win Big City. Chinatown is extraordinarily similar except for the trading of property. Apparently the trading is what bites me. And I always thought it was bidding games that killed me…
[There was coughing here that was edited out]
WDR: … Apparently bidding games cause me so much problems I stop breathing when I mention them.
8one6: Like Ra?
WDR: Ya, it hates me, I hate it, we have a mutual agreement. It’s good. Ra the Dice Game is fantastic, however, because dice don’t hate me.
8one6: Dice hate me. Except when they hate you, but …
WDR: They mostly hate you.
8one6: Which is why I’m really good at Alhambra the tile laying game and not so good at Alhambra: The Dice Game.
WDR: Don’t let him kid you, he’s like an Alhambra savant.
8one6: That’s not entirely true…
WDR: It’s a game based on luck where everything just like floats to you. It’s amazing. I’ve played it with you. I’ve beat you once! It’s the only real win I feel I have at Alhambra, ‘cause quite frankly… I bet you’ve played that game, what, fifteen, twenty times?
8one6: Maybe, thereabouts.
WDR: We’ll say fifteen. I’ve bet you’ve won more than ten.
8one6: That’s… possible.
WDR: I’m just sayin’. But anyway, that gets through most of the board games I think, unless you have something we’ve missed? I’m blanking on stuff right now.
8one6: I’d like to throw in a recommendation for Chrononauts…
WDR: Oh my gosh, Chrononauts, fantastic game!
8one6: Or as we like to call it around the game store “Dicks with Time Machines.”
WDR: Ya, let’s go jack up time. It’s good stuff. The expansions make it fantastic, but lengthy. Oh, and my favorite card game, actually is Chez Geek.
8one6: Chez Geek, ya.
WDR: We all can relate.
8one6: My absolute favorite Chez Geek card, I can’t remember which set it’s in, but it’s one of the cards you throw down, it’s like “Oh I’m going to go to sleep.” “Oh no you’re not!” It’s “Ice Cream Truck.” And literally the little description on the card is “Ding-a-linl-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling-a-ling!” For like three freakin’ sentences.
WDR: The card descriptions are classic, and I got to put in my favorite Chez anything card at this point is from CheZ Chuthul. The “Unspeakably Horrible Nookie.”
WDR: I’m not really what’s sure what’s on the card because you don’t need anything more than “Unspeakably Horrible Nookie.” That will definitely end poorly, that’s all I’m saying. And probably with a loss of soul.
8one6: I can’t remember what it’s called, the pizza with toppings man was not meant to know.
8one6: It has everything on it, I mean everything.
WDR: Everything, yes.
8one6: Archeology [Editor’s note: yes, there was no real segue there.]
WDR: Archeology. Another great card game. Set taking game. Often a font of frustration.
8one6: Especially if someone’s shuffled the cards without following the instructions.
WDR: We’re gonna’ leave…
8one6: “Where’s the map for the pyramids?” “Well, we’ve gone through the whole deck so there’s only one place they could be…”
WDR: In the pyramids!
8one6: In the pyramids!
WDR: At some point we need to have that fellow as a guest so he can defend his ,ah, rules interpretations.
8one6: There was the first game we ever played, or I ever played at least of Archeology where we found a sand storm in the pyramid.
WDR: Sucks to be in that pyramid.
8one6: I imagine kind of like the mummy movie where you open the tomb and Imhotep comes out!
WDR: Ya, not good. Oh, and, probably the best card game masquerading as a board game ever…
WDR: Dominion. Ya, we should have made a really long list. Apparently there’s a lot more board games we appreciate than we thought.
8one6: I like Dominion. I don’t like Dominion’s expansions, because Dominion’s expansions introduce a lot of the “Well screw you buddy!”
WDR: Oh, ya, there’s a lot of screw you. I like Dominion as long as I’m not playing with Magic players, ‘cause that’s like cheating. That’s like being the dancer on Dancing with the stars. “Really, you’re a dancer and you made it to the finals? You’re a dancer!” Duh! Oh my god, I’m shocked! The person that does this all the time is better at it that the football player.
8one6: You watch a lot of dancing with the stars, don’t you?
WDR: Actually I don’t, but I’m just making a point.
8one6: Ah, ok.
WDR: I’ve seen it. I can appreciate dancing.
8one6: I have heard of it.
WDR: But any show that’s a dance contest that has dancers competing against, you know, any other human being, oh come on. That’s like American Idol having, I don’t know, an actual professional singer on there just ‘cause they don’t have a contract right now. Uh, wait a minute, isn’t that cheating?
8one6: No, probably not, but, you know, it’s not fair to the rest of the…
WDR: I’m just saying. I think any game you should have a fair fighting chance of flipping winning. I mean sometimes it’s who you’re playing with and you just have to accept that as “I’m going for second.”
8one6: Ya. But you know what, it’s going to be a strong second.
WDR: Sometimes finishing first is not an option and you know it, but by golly I’m not going to finish last.
WDR: On to games that don’t require finishing first or last, thank god. Much more my speed.
8one6: Role playing games?
8one6: Well, I got my start in role playing games in Dungeons & Dragons, technically 3.5. Like, those were the first set of books that I owned.
8one6: But how I got my start was… so I was in science class in high school and I met Young Wallace for the first time in that class and he was like “Hay, would you like to learn how to play D&D?” And I was like “Well, what’s D&D?” “Oh, it’s really fun! It’s Dungeons & Dragons. It’s a game.” “Okay, sure.” So he pulls all three books out of his backpack, he’s like “Read all three books, we start in a couple of weeks. You’re DMing.” “What’s DMing?”
WDR: That was D-Bagging.
8one6: Ya, so I did it. I read all three books cover to cover including the monster manual in two weeks and I put together a uh… Of course thank god we had the internet at the time because I looked up a lot of stuff on how to do things and I’m like “Oh, it’s about dungeon crawling. Well, gee, I’m going to have to come up with a dungeon. Ooh, a random dungeon generator.” That one had some interesting results.
WDR: “This dungeon goes in a circle until it stops.”
8one6: But that was my… my very first dungeon was the mausoleum of the Healers of Pepper. [pronounced pa-par] Why it was named that? Well, I’ve been tubby for a very long time and I had soda cans sitting on my desk and the Healers of Pepper…
8one6: Were in fact the healers from Oh Little Town of Pibbshire.
WDR: Well that’s a good sign to abandon hope all ye who enter here, but we’ll keep going anyway. Um, I started with Dungeons & Dragons as well, but I was about two and a half editions ahead of you.
WDR: Because I really started… I wuld say with Advanced Dungeons & Dragons but it was kind of a polyglot at the time of the earliest version of red box D&D. Not the classic ’83 version because I started before that.
WDR: Although I did immediately get the ’83 version [of Red Box] when it showed up. And for those of you too young to know, look it up. Anyway, I started with the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons and my introduction was much more, um, I’m gonna’ call it proper ‘cause quite frankly that’s a horrible thing to do to a human being. “Here, you’re the game master.” “I’m a what?” I actually started… I’d read The Hobbit over the summer between like, second and third grade I think it was. I checked it out of the public library, in the little piddley town in Kentucky where we lived and as I was reading more and more of the fantasy style of book because… Eh you know, at eight, nine, it was pretty awesome. It’s kind of like Star Wars with swords. Which just shows you how the perspective was coming from then. Star Wars is just fantasy in space.
WDR: But ya know, at the time it was just like Star Wars with swords. And there was this other guy that came to the library. He was a couple of years older than me, three or four, and I guess he was running Dungeons & Dragons and the librarian said “You ought to meet this guy. I think you all’d get along.” So I did. Played my first game with him. His name was Tony. And literally six months after I started playing he decided that he was done. I think he was hitting, I don’t know, junior high and maybe had discovered girls or something.
WDR: Or his parents had been listening to the crazed, paranoid fanatics that were saying that if you played D&D you were casting spells and howling off to hell.
8one6: I wish D&D worked the way that the whackos said it worked. I’d love to be able to cast lightning bolts. That’d be really helpful in traffic!
WDR: And would cut the heck down on the whackos.
WDR: “These people can cast lightning bolts and do spells!” “You realize if we could… You should shut up.” Anyway, he decided to get rid of all of his stuff so as a nine year old I conned my folks out of a ridiculously small sum of money for said items and purchased my first D&D stuff second hand. I didn’t really… I don’t think I really had any dice. I may have had a few but I think I was using his. By then it would have been ’83, and I think my first dice came in the red box set I bought. I actually still have the original d20 that I got.
8one6: That bluish pebble?
WDR: That bluish pebble. It is worn and torn with age, but I still have dice older than you. And that was really where I got my start and stuck with D&D for a very long while. One, there weren’t a lot of options early on and two; in small town Kentucky, without internet webs…
WDR: Yaaa, your role playing game choices and players and equipment was…
WDR: That would be generous. Sparse. Very sparse. You know you could go to Lexington and…
8one6: A vast, barren wasteland as far as gaming was concerned?
WDR: Look, when you went to Lexington and went to the mall the whatever book store it was. Back in the day the big one. It was in all the malls. It wasn’t like Borders or Barnes and Noble.
8one6: B. Daltons?
WDR: B. Daltons, that’s it. B. Daltons had carried the TSR stuff generally. So obviously all my early stuff was really TSR because B. Daltons was where you… Because I didn’t know to look for a game store or a comic store that had games. There was one in Lexington and I think I went there a couple of times toward the end of our living in Kentucky. Great name for a game store too, the Rusty Scabbard.
WDR: I know it’s still open, so if anybody’s listening to this in Lexington and looking for a game store go check ‘em out. I’m a big fan of supporting your friendly local game store.
WDR: Or your not so friendly local game store. Just support your local game store is what I’m saying. Ours happens to be a friendly one.
WDR: It’s significantly friendlier than any other game store I’ve ever been to and I’ve been to a lot of different game stores in a lot of different places over a lot of different years. Usually at best you’d get the nod of the head and they’d kind of stare at you like you were going to steal something.
WDR: And might even speak to you when you went to buy something. Maybe. Which is, you know, it’s sad because a lot of gamers run game stores and for a social activity…
8one6: People aren’t very social.
WDR: It’s astounding how many gamers have no social ability what so ever. They can’t talk to people! They can’t function in society. It’s no wonder people make jokes. Some of us can actually you know go out and speak and banter and say hello and communicate and, you know, fake normalcy.
WDR: Ya, but I’ve played everything. But the bottom line is at this point my favorites are… It depends on the game. It depends on the genre of the game you’re gonna’ go after. You know, if I’m playing a fantasy style game I’m gonna’ head toward a warhammer game of some kind. Second edition, now third edition which I’ve purchased. I’m getting ready to start running. I like the idea of it. I’m hoping the execution makes it worth it. It should. Pathfinder is my other option if I want to run D&D ‘cause, well, it’s the closest to the D&D that I’m familiar with.
WDR: A word on [D&D] fourth edition before…
8one6: No one can ever say that I didn’t give it a chance!
8one6: Two hundred and eighty-eight hours!
WDR: That’s a lot.
8one6: Two hundred and eighty-eight hours with that wizard.
WDR: Right. I hear that they fixed that with the newer books but I just want to point out that while you’re not… You don’t have fans here for fourth edition, if you’re just starting out role playing, I don’t know why you’d be listening to this but if somehow you find us, if you’ve played computer games and you want to get into table top gaming go to fourth edition. It will make sense to you. And move on. But start there, it’s a good starting game. I think it’s a fantastic starting game actually because it’s very easily understood. For those who’ve played for twenty-some years… It didn’t inspire me.
WDR: That’s the best I can put it. I didn’t hate it. It’s not a bad system. It’s got some good ideas. It’s got some serious flaws, but virtually every game has some flaws. This one has several, so it’s got some issues but I don’t want to just run it down. I don’t want a WotC [Wizards of the Coast] vendetta on me. And I don’t really blame WotC. I believe they were catering to the audience they thought they had, which is the RPGA. I blame the RPGA! And yes, I am a member but that’s more out of necessity than I’m charmed by the concept. But moving on to actual games we like. You know any game I run that’s going to be a skill based game, historical game, and I’m a big history buff and I love that and you’re gonna’ say… and it’s the same thing with you. Any game that’s a skill based game, it’s GURPS time man.
8one6: I’m lovin’ the GURPS, the 4e.
WDR: GURPS is a fantastic game. It’s got some initial shock. I have to say, if I’m going to review GURPS I’m going to say you look at the GURPS book and go “Oh my god! What am I going to do with this?”
8one6: “Huh, what? What am I do… What? Huh!?!”
WDR: It’s surprisingly simple.
WDR: Once you sift through it it’s got a really simple mechanic. It plays really quick. It’s easy to understand and you can do darn near anything that is skill based with it. You can do non skill based things: you can do power and stuff like super powers. I don’t think it does that the best.
8one6: By the way, the Powers book, which really should just be listed as GURPS Characters: The Sequel.
8one6: Really helps with constructing unique and custom power combination thingies…
8one6: … stuff.
WDR: And GURPS certainly has its place amongst my big time favorites. I’ve also been, over the past couple of years, enamored of a game that I looked at previously in my gaming career and I went “Naw, I ain’t doin’ this.” And that’s Shadowrun. Shadowrun fourth.
8one6: Also another fourth edition of a game.
WDR: Wow. This is how you know you’ve been playing for a while ‘cause I think the Shadowrun that I originally looked was maybe second edition.
WDR: Ya. But…
8one6: Ooh, second edition had the laser axe though.
WDR: [Audible sigh.] I… Right. I really can’t add anything to laser axe.
8one6: It’s an axe that shoots lasers.
8one6: I mean seriously!
WDR: But Shadowrun fourth is a brilliant… If you like your future miserable but not soul crushingly miserable. You know, inquisitor and Rogue Trader would be soul crushingly miserable. And obviously neither 8one6 nor I can suffer through too serious a game. It’s not our strong point. Shadowrun is fantastic as far as waving around ridiculous guns with cybernetics and using magic and running up walls and and well, you know, Matrix-ing it up. It is a nerd and cheese fest, but Shadowrun is a fantastic game. And admittedly right now we’re doing some Basic Role Play stuff from Chaosium.
8one6: It’s heavily house ruled.
WDR: It’s related to it. But it’s a darn good game none the less. I still think GURPS does skills better so once again [BPR] it’s a skill game.
WDR: We do disagree somewhat on the games, and I think it’s because of the systems we started with as farr as super heroes go.
8one6: Ya, my first super hero game was in Mutants & Masterminds. Technically I owned the first edition books. We’ll speak no further of that little accident. But I got to first play it in the second edition of Mutants and Masterminds, which in my opinion is really brilliant way of redoing those rules for super heroes.
WDR: Well I agree, it’s extraordinarily well done. I’m just not enamored of heroes in the d20 system. And you know, it’s difference of opinion. But you started in and really hadn’t done a lot of branching from the d20 system so that’s your comfort zone. Basically until we like lept into GURPS and just you know went screaming in to it.
8one6: Which I will recommend: If anyone just starts a game whole cloth look at the company’s forums. That’s going to be a good place to find advice.
WDR: You’re gonna’ need it for GURPS to ‘cause it’s not one you can just dive in.
Interestingly enough, my first super hero game was made by TSR. There’s a shocker. And it was Marvel Superheroes.
8one6: Ya. We’ve played that.
WDR: Yes we have. And it was a decent game. Really simple mechanic. Which is nice. I’ve, well I’ll say I’ve played in a mutants and masterminds game, but that’s kind of stretching the credibility there a bit.
8one6: You were a backup to a backup. No no, the yearly game.
WDR: No, I was a backup to a backup for like two sessions and that game ended so that really doesn’t count. My personal favorite system for super heroes is the Hero System, which, like GURPS, you will look at and your head will explode and you will cry and gnash teeth and go “Oh my god, I can’t do this.” Not true, but I definitely recommend the Hero System for people that have played before. If your first game’s the Hero System, bully for you, but that’s a tough transition from “I’ve never played this” to “Uh, why is this rule book big enough to stop a bullet?”
8one6: Which it was, they proved it.
WDR: Ya the fifth edition… Once again we’re into the edition wars, we’re now on sixth edition, but the fifth edition rulebook would actually stop a .22 short. Somebody did the experiment, which is scary because that meant they shot a Sixty dollar rulebook. And these are people that like the game.
WDR: I had a couple of rulebooks I’d be willing to shoot, but if you have a game concept that you like and the game doesn’t use the system that you want…
8one6: Use it for source and then go to a different system.
WDR: Use it for source, absolutely. That’s the joy of gaming to me “You know what, I can do this, but I can’t do this this way…” Hero System is a character creation nightmare, but it’s real simple to play. I think even you’ll agree that it’s pretty good as far as playing.
8one6: Now that I know how it works I understands it a lot more than the vast, mysterious first game of Hero System that I played.
WDR: And I understand how you probably felt like I was just casting bones behind the game master’s screen and consulting Thor
8one6: “Oh let me check: Oh look, Oden has smiled upon you! Your attack hits. Roll another three or four hand fuls of dice.”
WDR: Right. And I should say that your first experience was probably not at my best. That was the winding down of a game that had taken a lot out of me, because I had been fighting through Hero System for a good two years at that point and two years on the same game… not a bad thing, but two years on Hero System with some of the aspects of that group, it got old. I think that covers our favorite games. I mean that’s my favorite game. That’s what I like to do.
8one6: Ya, that’s pretty good. That’s basicly covering them all for all intents and purposes. I mean anything other than that would just be getting into minutia. Which don’t get me wrong I have no problem with minutia. Tune in next week to find out exactly into minutia we are. And anything you want to say for signing off? Because this thing’s been running for about thirty six minutes now.
WDR: Oh my goodness.
WDR: Well, I’ll just say if you took the time to listen to this, come back and listen again. We’re going to get better and we’re going to have people other than us on, which is probably an incentive. Thanks for listening to the introduction to Underdiscussion: The Undergopher podcast. This is 8one6…
WDR: And WDR…
8one6: … signing off. Have a good day and good gaming!